Figured I'd make a Christian Meta Thread if anyone is interested. We can discuss whatever Christian beliefs you are interested in. If you want to know more about anything specific just ask.
To kick things off, what do you think about God's relationship to man's free volition, and man's relationship to God's eternal sovereignty? One explanation I head is a diagram I will attempt to describe:
Imagine a triangle. On top, God. On the right, the Rich Young Ruler. On the left, the Apostle Paul. God reaches out to the Rich Young Ruler halfway and expects him to meet him there (imagine an arrow drawn halfway to the right corner). The Rich Young Ruler had the potential of being a disciple, replacing Judas perhaps, however he turned away. God reaches out all the way to Paul (imagine an arrow drawn all the way to the left corner, even thru it). He literally knocked him to the ground, blinding him, speaking to him in the Spirit. Who wouldn't believe after this?
Maybe free will/ God's sovereignty is like this and not so black and white.
I didn't turn away this time.
Personally, I don't think that free will is compatible with God's omnipotence. The tension between omniscience and free will is an ancient problem. An existential Christian may reject the omniscience of God while Calvinists reject the free will aspect.
One thought of mine: in Christianity, whether you go to heaven or hell is commonly decided by whether you accept Jesus or reject Him, right? So free will really doesn't matter outside of that. Whether you choose to follow Christ or not -- knowing where that feeling comes from doesn't really seem so important.
that sounds like a very protestant interpretation of heaven and hell
Christianity is homo sapien centric and egotistical: Did YWHW really intend for sheep to be herded for all eternity and everything that crawls in this planet? Why are fungi and virus even real, what are prions?
Reality is more chaotic and out of control to even idolize sentience in this universe.
> Reality is more chaotic and out of control to even idolize sentience in this universe.
This is a great point. I also really hate how people lump in consciousness with quantum physics and try to use "quantum" as a one-size-fits-all to mysterious phenomena.
> This argument can also be reversed to telling effect. If there is no afterlife, no realm in which the sorrows of this life can be assuaged and its injustices remedied, then it may be argued that the problem of evil becomes impossible to solve in any rationally intelligible way.
> Arguably, a perfectly good and all-powerful God would not make a cosmos in which all or most created persons have lives that are full of misery and then are annihilated; nor would an all-loving good God create a cosmos in which there is no opportunity for transformation beyond this life.
> That is not to say, of course, that allowing for an afterlife makes the problem of evil easy for theists—that is far from being the case. But it does provide a way in which this life’s injustices can be seen as not having had the last word—victims in this life do not have to be eternally victims and those who’ve done evil won’t get away with it. For these reasons, one would be hard pressed to find very many theists (as opposed to deists) who do not also affirm belief in an afterlife.
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i really love our lord, but, guys, how hard it is to be a good catholic... fuck
holy shit, why are there so many naked people around the world?
i can not stand masturbating anymore, i am tired of crying with my penis in my hand, mates
but i duno, it seems that there are demons moving my hands all the time
for fucks sake
i just want to die
I hate catholics. Imagine still being catholic after people died to reform the church.
What's wrong with them? I don't know all that much about Catholicism, but most Catholics I know (Western US) are pretty laid back and arguably more liberal than most Protestants.
>What's wrong with them?
It's a religion based on making the most hypocritical duplicitous people as possible. You can commit every sin imaginable, and every day confess them to clergy, because your monetary contributions to "penance" is all that's needed to be "forgiven".
IoW, a religion for the rich: the very same religion that pays out bail out money even if the crime they commit is the most heinous offense to law.
Why do you think Catholicism persists, and not say the 8 fold path?
Well, depends on what protestant denominations you're talking about. I'm Episcopalian and we are far more progressive than the catholic church, as are Lutherans and Presbyterians. Catholics in influence are of course famously conservative with pro-life being the most important sacrosanct principle in the world to them.
But what's the actual problem with catholics? They are silly. They believe the wafers that everybody watched them buy from a little sleeve package shipped from Utah literally is Christ. They pray to and worship saints (how is that not idolatry?). Their music sucks, they don't have a Bach or Handel to boast about. And of course, their history is older and bloodier and more corrupt than any protestant denomination.
If you're going to believe in God, I don't see why you would draw a line at the transubstantiation of the Eucharist. If you're going to believe, believe all the way.
Because that's retarded. The bread isn't christ. It forces a material claim about the bread that is obviously false under any type of investigation. The eucharist is a feast in memory of Christ. "Take, eat, do this in remembrance of me".
>I hate catholics.
well well well, you are not the first person to hate our lord—good luck :*
>Imagine still being catholic after people died to reform the church.
imagine calling yourself a "christian" when your religion is based on killing catholics
>imagine calling yourself a "christian" when your religion is based on killing catholics
You literally burned people alive before the reformation.
And during the reformation.
So sorry to hear dude. Just get a wife.
nope, it never happened
the catholic church only judges—and judges ONLY catholics—the catholic church has never killed anyone as a divinely ordained institution
if a subject is an apostate, he can no longer be judged by the church; cause he has already given himself the judgment of being excommunicated
i am only 28 years old, mate
you either stop being retarded or learn to use the word "literally" in the right way
Retarded dehumanizing logic, and you is obviously collective you pedantic moron, literally is used correctly there, as the catholic church literally burned people alive.
nope, it never happened mate, protestants are not catholics, the church has simply never judged a single protestant in all of history; if one of yours were burned, it was burned at the hands of a CIVIL authority and the church cannot defend apostates
nope again, the referent is a singular subject, that is me—literally—as it is written, it is not me literally as i am, nor me literally as a "people-burner", not even would it be me, as the church, because then it would be figuratively
nope one more time, there is no collective guilt, only subjects are historical agents, collectives are not
And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And God is going to inform them about what they used to do.
And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son."
You have done an atrocious thing.
The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation
That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son.
There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
He has enumerated them and counted them a [full] counting.
And all of them are coming to Him on the Day of Resurrection alone.
Say, "If the Most Merciful had a son, then I would be the first of [his] worshippers."
And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
Never read Augustine before, any recommendations?
I'd start with confessions. After that probably whatever subject you are interested in.
hi, >>2 here. i admit sometimes i turn away. i just cannot tell if these are angels or malignant extraterrestrials. remember, "To Serve Man" ended up being a cookbook...
what if aliens figured out how to hack into the same line of communication that was meant to enable us to talk to God? they want to pinkpill us into being some kind of "divine feminine" androgyne species. it's just some sick fetish if you ask me
>if one of yours were burned, it was burned at the hands of a CIVIL authority and the church cannot defend apostates
And yet those civil authorities were all catholic, and those civil authorities deemed those crimes to be heresies against the catholic church. How this is lost on you and why you keep defending the medieval church's right to look the other way in dehumanizing language is beyond me.
Also you are again an idiot for not realizing that you in english is *plural* and that addressing you as "thou and the church that thou art part of" is not figurative whatsoever. You were just desperate to jump on the "literally keeps being used incorrectly" bandwagon.
Sorry to come back so late, I don't frequent this site. lol about the spam.
lol about the spam, indeed
Yea basically this. Imagine thinking when Christ says "thou art a pebble, and on this boulder I will build my church" he meant he'd build it on the pebble (Peter)
wtf is up with all the deleted comments on this thread